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" In September in 1970 Elliott -- picture was on the cover of time magazine under a headline that read star for an uptight age. Many of the films that inspire the time profiler included in a band cinnamon tech retrospective with the same name. The series runs at the Brooklyn academy of music through August 21 I'm very pleased that it brings -- to go to the show today --"

" Well iron. The pleasures somewhat -- as well but some -- your life. That he overwhelmed by ambivalence here Elliott who -- I try not to be of selfish. Or take myself too seriously but we haven't had -- in store for an up to an age no. At the time I was impressed by it wasn't my idea I had been a film called getting straight. And that was adjourned. Yes it was the the Vietnam War. And I think for two people who were putting together this time article currency. With my work being somewhat irreverent. People could identify with me so. They chose to. -- to present me except. There was a second cover at the same time in the United States. In in Canada and Europe which was a photograph of me. It's trapper John in mash unit said. The man from mash I thought that was the simpler and more direct and a star for an. Two."

" The seventies on strike me as particularly uptight age I grew up in the fifties now that was an uptight decade. So I -- wasn't exactly sure what eat what they were talking about there except I guess that he was seen as even more irreverent and then others -- the time."

" I don't know. Seen. And he hopes the time. Has there been more -- four our nation Americans now. And we can do -- the time magazine cover note thank you but here's where. It's a character. Began as a song and dance kid. In the forties. And these widget that you -- Music. I didn't want to work in the garment center -- I got to go to Broadway musicals and that was a great experience. Before it was renamed the Simon theater called the house. And the first -- it was in the school room and these theaters -- Some place to come to him too long but analysts renews. A legitimate growth in New York if you'd go Broadway on the so. -- from August through world. Use of your next few days but. I'll also grew up with the radio and review which foreman. Mentioned. Pictures and one films. I love films and actually -- a couple of films. That -- all users can't hurt after. Who were putting together Bob and Carol content analysis. Four Columbia Pictures and listen to their improvisation. Hysterical posts bedrooms and between. One of the married couples. Decided to. We're just so there you were in one of but he hit films. The time you even -- did you couldn't ask. My nomination. That's pretty good for our first film. Note was a third film uh oh it was a third round. The first film was for William D true. It was close one of the great old during his director Charles lawlessness hunchback of Notre Dame and home Munich and the like and faster. And the second film with an accurate statements please. With a burglar and Jason rumor. Which wasn't it. Now. Most of the films have been in business friendly because I think -- The guy's been and so many of the classic films well thanks I have been in if you put you know. I really think it's great privilege I'm delighted that. The administration academies. And retrospective of some of the pictures -- appearance. Do you think. I'm trying to think of others but. Could you have been the first leading men who was obviously Jewish and from Brooklyn now. I don't know who else who was worded Tony -- from from him he was actually now. Poverty and enjoy -- I don't think so the first I remember Jackie Robinson it was a musical on Broadway. That party -- wrote quote first and it was Jackie Robinson."

" You you actually made the transition from theater to movies at a time when that was quite common nowadays we see an awful lot of the actors. Who are a whole lot of people who -- made by movies or television who then try their hand at theater. Katie Holmes is going to be in all my sons now. But -- that this has been happening a lot there. But I would assume that you've got all of your acting chops -- did some of your contemporaries like Gene Hackman Al Katrina. Through the theater."

" Don't. My my future career is a very undeveloped and actually and government. Had published and is being a tragic after we work together. Hunt for the work we did together but. For not -- not doing classical work in relation to mine natural gifts. Thank you published. In the article. Shakespeare Ibsen Sternberg and when you I was quite flattered that. -- went to PS2 47. In Brooklyn and -- junior. And could sing and dance."

" Well it it's interesting to look at some of the actors that directors you work -- William do you believe Robert Altman and Ingmar Bergman. You were in his film the touch although I think the the Swedish name was. Bill roaring again if the first non Scandinavian. Acted to work with."

" I was the first one of us who -- With and for. He inimitable -- room. An article that was in the village voice this spring notes that. He would never even seen it Bergman movie that's not true. Kind of appreciated the article. That they. They had to take about being Jewish and how unlikely it was for me or someone like me to break through and -- No my I had seen several of his films. Assumed. I would assume and he was the rage for everybody it. Well I mean I I was extremely successful. In the late sixties and and when I was offered that touch. I read his. This scenario. Which is like a Novella and on page 22 there was a scene where the character. And the woman. Have a violent. And of course sexual it. And I immediately -- a migrant had a cause I was making a living for the family for the first time which is what my priority is it's all about the camera. An -- getting along in this world and how are we going to not only survive -- off. And so I didn't think I could. Expose myself I mean emotionally and mentally in relation to mind. My lack of relationship and my ignorance two. Ingmar Bergman. But I couldn't just dismiss him and turn him down so we hadn't called me in the west village where I was living at the time it fiftieth Morton street and Houston."

" No one room goal."

" And you don't patrol boat so we the hair on the back of my neck stood up you know and I felt well I would talk to a baby that we're in order to. Put a canine to a happier somewhere so I thought immediately this I'm impulsive. I can trust me with him and him was made little that I know -- farms -- ago. You actually didn't make it. Another film for eighteen months after that well you know I mean I -- the one you no I mean I just didn't know that this is a business and in relation to the politics and reality of the business. There was. Freudian. Analyst who has spent quite good a time where. And actually when we were making that touched in -- left and came to me with a picture of the character I play. I was an archaeologist and he was dusting off the skull and the character was me as the character. And -- give this to Europe a psychiatrist in New York and tell him it's -- finding himself. But I had an enormous lesson to learn. And -- you -- because -- but -- worked with Altman who must have been very demanding director and now you're working -- One of the giants of cinema and do -- what lesson did you have to learn about the business about the world. Values rejected there's the sex scene so. It came out just fine. But. With this Psycho analyst it's good to meet you consider yourself to be omnipotent and I -- well first of all I don't know if I note that word means to explain all of our. And that's that noise count but isn't that a human characteristic. -- replay things. And -- realized. Being that this it was not his language you mine Cia analyst wasn't Americans who is Hungarian and German. And what he really meant to say was are you aware that your oblivious to reality I could deal with and that was my problem. Of course that says something and a number of factors that have to do this -- well and athletes and and people who you know who but themselves being known and are made in two. Something more and perhaps it is. The real."

" Elliott Gould is being. Given a retrospective. Of films the -- cinema tech at the Brooklyn academy of music. It began this weekend -- and it runs through. August 21. In a lot of great films. Including the touch which didn't become a big hit here but but it. And it led you to turn -- some pretty big roles you turned down Altman's McCabe and mrs. Miller Warren -- one of doing that and you also. Weren't you also asked to play Lenny Bruce amber -- way."

" Balance. You know -- But Ingmar Bergman called no no noted there was no conflict. There was no there was no conflict. Other -- with me in myself. When it came to my stepping up to work. We -- Ingmar Bergman and as a matter of fact prior to coming across. Richard Merriman who is. A journalist and had done I still around. Had done a major piece for life on Charlie Chaplin. As well as on Laurence Olivier. He came to talk with me because they did they were doing and they do -- an article on our collaboration with Ingmar Bergman. And so after talking with -- four hours he should bring a pad and pencil with you and I thought I. I hope I haven't spoken prematurely I'm not coming across for your article uncommon approach to CAA. If I can sustain myself. And work with the finest actors. In space. In our world. And also to come back with an equation for production which is what interests me in which I've done a little bit. And when I did come back I think can I contribute something now have something to say. I and he said yes you have time and I said I couldn't fully accept all of the privileges that were given to me being that I seem to be so successful so soon. And whether it was the privilege of working with the outstanding director or writer or composer conductor. I believe the great privileges to be conceived and born and know yourself and everything follows."

" But you did follow that with the -- why didn't you know he wouldn't all of them did have an incredible relationship one reviewer said that. In California split he came closer than any other actor perhaps to embodying the physical form the qualities. Which help constitute. The Altman vision. And it is that something that you were connected to because. While that was mash. There was a long good."

" California split and then Bob put me into natural. And then I was just -- and the player but we started to talk about the sequel to the long goodbye which. Hasn't been made yet you've played Philip Marlowe unlike the ending your predecessors. Affected plated opposite end to Humphrey Bogart you're profit Mitchum more. Was to front and -- we also emirates. Thanks to Robert Altman. Who when he called me about doing it and he said what do you think. I said I've always wanted to play this guy and -- that you are this guy. And so then we went on the journey and we we did these long goodbye to go. We have a little clip may be we should listen. --"

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" You don't incessantly throughout the film he just can't imagine Humphrey Bogart doing. But it but it was wonderful it would actually it may just three thing. Philip -- Well. Graham Greene a lower Graham Greene was the exact future the chancellor's state and he liked what -- did. And when I got to meet for Hitchcock. He'd seen and he -- that not everybody liked it because we broke the mold. But. We're. I'm more than just grateful to Robert Altman he just gave me. So much room to experiments. And news says. -- role in California's that was semi -- biographical -- he allowed you to actually bring yourself into that -- and we knew -- we knew you know that we expected. Steve McQueen to play the part Charlie. And I had lived that life and that story. With Joseph Walsh who produced the picture and wrote the picture and also placed the book maker and the picture. So one I was working in Munich making your picture called who. In which Trevor Howard -- another wonderful -- Star. And Bob called me because Steve McQueen. Withdrew. He wanted writing that didn't exist and that's part of with the pictures about how we stay alive. And so boxer would you play the other crime. And sort of play anyone you want me to play -- what does Joey what is the writer's think and he said he's playing poker. I said well if it's okay with that with Jolie and you want me he said because I know affect your viewing -- he said you'll stretches more than anybody ward."

" And Elliot Gould will be taking part in two Q and needs as part of the retrospective at them -- tomorrow. Following little murderous film that Alan Arkin direction although. There was a hope at one point the -- could -- would do it. The other on Saturday August ninth after the long -- some the other highlights of the series are Bob and Carol and Ted and -- and getting straight I love my wife busting Harriet Walter go to New York. All part of this incredible retrospective. Films that Elliot Gould has made over the years and it has been my great pleasure to have him on Washington thank you so much -- thanks for talking. Thanks for listening to WNYC on demand. Please check out the other programs at wnyc.org. And iTunes this is a free service made available by our listeners. Become a member of WNYC today."